| Me at 120 Washington Avenue, Downingtown, PA August 8, 2010 |
Since the death of Bill I've been revisiting significant episodes of my life.
I've been reading a lot about near death experiences and how when your soul departs from your body your life is reviewed with a "Board of Elders". This is not judgement but rather a video review of your life. How you treated others in your life both from your aspect and their aspect, how you made them feel. I haven't died but I have been having dreams, both at night and during the day of reviews of my life and those episodes.
One episode that has always stuck with me my whole life was the Mystery of Carmen and Violet.
From 1943 to 1954 I lived with my family at 120 Washington Avenue in Downingtown, Pennsylvania.
We lived in a second floor two bedroom apartment that rented for $22.50 a month (I will always remember that rent because my Mother often had problems coming up with that amount monthly).
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| 120 Washington Avenue, Downingtown, Pa September 10, 2004 |
Other member of my Tipton family also lived in that apartment building, which is stills standing today. And interestingly it is still in the white trash section of Downingtown. Yes, our family was white trash, another word for POOR. My father was an uneducated hillbilly from North Carolina who came with his eight brothers and mother and father in 1929 from the mountains of western North Carolina to southern Chester County to work as cheap farm labor at his uncle Don Byrd's fruit and vegetable farm in Unionville, Pennsylvania. My Mother was descended from a poor Quaker families who had immigrated to Pennsylvania in the late 1600's. Her mother died before she was two years old. Her father was a philanderer and physically and mentally abused her as the youngest of her family. She ran off and got married at sixteen years of age when she met my father on a double date (she switched dates with her girlfriend when she saw my father and his drop dead hillbilly looks for the first time.
My father was originally her girlfriend's date but when my father drove up in his car with a rumble seat in the back my Mother told her friend Edie "You get in the back with Hank, I'm sitting up front with HIM!"
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| I found this picture of my parents in his wallet after he died. He carried it all those years (60) that they were married. |
Now that I have set the background to my story of the "Mystery of Carmen and Violet."
Carmen and Violet lived in the neighboring apartment on the second floor where we lived.
They had a little girl whose name I don't remember now but I do remember the names "Carmen and Violet." I also remember that evening December 11th, 1946 when something very serious happened.
I had just turned five years old. I had just started first grade. I was awakened by a lot of muffled voices and shuffling around. I got up and went into the small hallway separating our apartments (it was very small, I guess that's why my parents were so friendly with Carmen and Violet, they were also about the same age). The police were there with flash lights. They entered Carmen and Violet's apartment in the dark with their flashlights dancing about the small room looking for Carmen and Violet's little girl. Their little girl was between a year and two years old. She was in the apartment by herself and was still groggy from being awakened. I asked my Mother what was going on. She told me to go back to bed. Of course I couldn't, I was born nosey. She eventually told me that Carmen and Violet had been in an accident and they had to take the little girl (I wish I could remember her name) away. I've forgotten a lot in my life but that is one episode that I never forget. The confused look on that little girl's face as the police carried her out of that darkened apartment. Later, much later I found out that Carmen and Violet, along with another couple were killed in a head on crash with an oncoming truck on Route 322 returning from West Chester after purchasing paint. My Mother told me the details of the story about Carmen and Violet about 2005 after I asked her during one of the trips I often took her to visit her relatives. She was now forthcoming with the information on Carmen and Violet. I told her that I often remembered that night the police came into our cockroach infested apartment building and searched out for Carmen and Violet's little girl who no longer had parents. That was the first time in my life I know SOMETHING WAS WRONG even though no one would tell me what happened.
It's a funny think this story has stuck in my head all these years, often coming back. A few years ago a "Remember Downingtown" group formed on Facebook. I joined it because I had memories to share. Someone else posted their memory about that accident that Carmen and Violet were in. A head on crash with the four of them in their car rounding a turn on Rt. 322 returning from the nearby town of West Chester after buying paint. Four people dead. Lives cut short. A little girl an orphan.
I've often wondered over the years what happened to that little girl. I think one of the reasons I've always remembered this story and that night was because of the exotic name "Carmen and Violet." I don't remember what they looked like but I do remember what their little girl looked like and that their apartment was small. Eventually my Uncle Dude Tipton and Aunt Jeanne Tipton moved in that little apartment with their four little girls. My Uncle Henry and his wife Margaret lived in the apartment above us.
Why do I bring this story up now? This morning I searching for high school records on Ancestry.com and I came across a link for an Edward Thompson. The reason the "Thompson" link showed up on my Ancestry.com account was because my cousin Jane Tipton (daughter of the aforementioned Henry and Margaret Tipton) eventually married John Thompson, a relative of Edward Thompson. Does your head hurt now? So what does Edward Thompson have to do with Carmen and Violet? Edward Thompson was the father of Violet.
What came up on Ancestry.com? Carmen and Violet's death certificate.
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| Carmen Marino's death certificate |
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| Violet Thompson Marino's death certificate |
I pay a lot for my annual membership of Ancestry.com. the past five years I've rarely used it what with my quarterly holidays with Pat and the last three years taking care of Bill. This year I was considering cutting back on my full membership for a cheaper price but now I have changed my mind. Ancestry.com has opened up so much to me that was previously lost to history. I love this kind of information. Looking at Carmen and Violet's death certificates I now know the date and time of their accident and deaths.
I hope I haven't bored anyone to death with post on this serendipitous discover. I am fascinated with this kind of history especially from my past.
I am convinced when I die I will find out ALL THE ANSWERS. I am so looking forward not only to reuniting with Bill, which I know will happen but also meeting all my relatives again. I'm also looking forward to that review of my life and know what former lives I have lived. Do I sound crazy? I'm not I assure you. I never did subscribe to this man made religion (Organized Religion). Never made sense to me. But what does make sense to me is that our souls or spirit inhabits our physical bodies during this earthly learning experience. I don't fear death. Our real life is our spirit and when we die we really do go Home. Maybe I'll see Carmen and Violet.







12 comments:
I'm glad you posted this entry, your skills on ancestry.com are amazing. And I like family stories .
This is a very interesting story. It’s amazing to me the things you can remember from so far back and the things you are able to find with your research. I really enjoy reading the things you post, I hope you will keep doing it. You have led quite a memorable life with lots of good memories.
Jim
What an interesting story---
The poor little girl who lost their parents so close to Christmas.
I noticed as well that according to the death certificates the parents died days apart. Joe on the 11th and Violet on the 13th.
Ansestry.com is a neat database. The secrets come out from under the carpets. I dabbled on the site for a short while. My family has a lot of secrets that have never seen the light of day. I know there was a big secret between my stepmother and father. It almost came to light when they were arguing, and my stepmother declared she would tell everything. What? My father quickly rushed my stepmother into the bedroom and you could hear stern hushed conversations and they resolved things. What was that about? Also, my real mother lives/lived in New York and the last time I spoke to her was when I was around 19. She has a son who looks just like me when I was his age. I always wondered what had happened to her and her son. Lots of secrets. My father controlled the roost and any questions about his past were off-limits. One would ask and the retort would be why do want to know. Never grew up with the standard aunts, uncles, nieces, extended family brothers, and sisters. I found out in my 40s that my father had a brother and that he was adopted and did not use his adopted last name. My father was a shady character, I wouldn't be surprised if he killed or hurt someone. There was a time back in the late '60s when my father came home late as usual and told my mother if the police came to tell them he was at home all night. Granted my father was in the military so he couldn't get into too much trouble.
Thanks for sharing.
Tommy,
Thank you for your encouragement. I love telling my family stories. All families have these stories but many of them become lost in time. I post them with the hope that someone like me in the future will find them informative and interesting in their family tree research. My memory is still very good for the "old times."
Ron
Jim,
I will keep posting my family stories. I want to leave a record behind me when I leave this earth for future people like me who will find this family history interesting. So much family history is lost when people die. I intend to record as much as I can before I depart. I'm glad you like my stories. I enjoy writing about them.
Ron
Vic,
Wow Vic, sounds like you have some very interesting skeletons to reveal in your family closet. After my father died my Mother hinted that he too may have spent time in jail. Not for a violent crimes, it was for driving infractions. He lost his license for awhile, that's why we lived in town because he couldn't drive a car, had no license. Living in town changed the whole trajectory of my life. He always liked living out in the "sticks." I've always suspected that I have one or more half siblings in the country. During the war my father was a cross country truck driver. He was an alley cat. I know that because my Mother showed me one of the letters a woman sent to her apologizing for having an affair with my father. I still have that letter. My Mother was going to burn it. I'm glad she didn't. Oh the things that go untold. Thanks for sharing your family history Vic.
Ron
Wow what a story. Perhaps eventually you can find out the name of Carmen & Violet's daughter and if she is still alive and her married name (if still married).
The name Carmen Marino rigs a bell for me. Quick story: I knew a Paul C. Marino of Waterbury, CT. way back in the late 90s as I was just getting deep into the internet. We are both fans of the rock music group, Grateful Dead. Anyway I asked him what the "C" in his name was for, and Paul replied, "Carmen" a popular Italian name. That name was given to him in honor of an uncle who lived in or around a town called Downingtown, Pennsylvania. He and his wife Aunt Violet died in a car accident just before X-mas in the 40's. They too had a daughter. 100% this is the same man.
I lost touch with Paul about 2003. In 2020, I wanted to get in touch with him again, but got no reply.
Came back from doing a few errands and have a few more thoughts.
What the hell was that little girl left in the apartment alone. Yeah, back in the day you could get away with a lot more. I remember when my parents divorced I was in 1st grade or starting 2nd. I had an older brother and a younger brother. We were about a year and some change apart. We were left alone all the time. We knew better than to burn down the house or answer the door. My father, in the military, had a second job where he worked at the NCO Club. He was a cook. He called the house and asked what we wanted for dinner. Of course, being kids we wanted the usual hamburgers and French fries. My father said a man would be coming by to deliver food and to answer the door. Sooner or later a knock was at the door and we asked who it was. The man said our father sent him with our dinner. We cracked open the door, grabbed the food, shut the door, and locked the bolt. After my father remarried, I was going into my second try at 2nd grade and the boys were left at home often. My parents would go out a few times a month at night and during the day they would go here and there without us. We never ate out and very seldom went clothes shopping. My stepmother knew our sizes. For shoes, our feet were drawn on paper. I should hire a ghostwriter.
Your father was handsome in that picture. Isaac looked like he could get into some "hillbilly" trouble. I could say more but we have company on this page.
Do a little further checking on your ancestry account and you'll find that Violet and Carmen's little girl was Margaret Ann Thompson 1943 - 2012. Look for Cherise Sherman - Ellis family tree managed by Cherise Ellis I searched for Violet Thompson with spouse of Marino and this family tree showed up. Happy searching
Joel,
I did find out the name of Carmen and Violet's daughter, it's Peggy Ann! Look at the comment from "Anonymous" below this one. As soon as they mentioned the name "Margaret Ann" it rang a bell! Of course, it was "Peggy Ann." I remember well her name now. And Joel, I was astounded by your comment that you knew the nephew of Carmen! What are the odds? I have to say it is hard to believe. I'm going to check Ancestry.com now and the Thompson Family tree that was referenced by "Anonymous" for Carmen's relatives. I also have more on the Thompson connection to me which I will write about. Thank you very much for this information. What a small world sometimes huh?
Ron
Anonymous,
Of course! Her name was "Peggy Ann"! As soon as I read your comment about Margaret Ann Thompson it rang a bell immediately in my head. I think my Mother often looked after Peggy Ann when Carmen and Violet were out. Interesting that she mad her mother's maiden name Thompson instead of Carmen's name Marino. I'm going to check Ancestry.com now. Thanks so much to the tip! Much appreciated. I love this stuff!
Ron
Vic,
I don't ever remember being left alone. I know my father went out because I remember him putting on his hat the smell of his cologne. I don't think my Mother ever went out with him. When both of them went somewhere they always put us (me and my two brothers) in the back seat of the car. You do have interesting stories Vic. Please continue to share!
Ron
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